Best CFB/CBB HC combo?

[ohstatefan]

Feb 27, 2014 10:43:06 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

Feb 27, 2014 7:44:18 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Meyer could be the next Cooper just as easily as he could be the next Tressel.

Seeing as he already has beaten UM, becoming the next Cooper is already highly unlikely.

I think it's unlikely too. And you brought up perhaps the biggest difference - not only does he understand the importance of the Game, he's also had success there. Cooper didn't beat Michigan until his 7th season. He got his 2nd win against them in his 11th season, and couldn't muster another one out of his last two tries. Meyer has beaten them twice in only 2 years.

He is a great recruiter, which Cooper was too.

Being 24-0 in regular season play is phenomenal. Cooper never did anything like that.

However, to play devil's advocate here, we have to also consider the conference hasn't been that tough, nor has our schedule. We played 2 teams that were in the top 15 at the time of the game and lost them both. We also invest a lot more in assistant coaches than we used to.

The expectations are very high with Meyer, and so are the possibilities, but there's still lots to accomplish. For starters we have yet to win the conference, but do have 2 division titles.

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Feb 27, 2014 10:56:20 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Feb 27, 2014 10:43:06 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

Seeing as he already has beaten UM, becoming the next Cooper is already highly unlikely.

Yeah Cooper lost a chance for the title game by beating UM and losing to MSU too.

You're trying to hard ABM. It's almost like you want him to be Cooper.

[victor2111]

I'm sure ABM is just tired of how some people say Meyer is the greatest coach to touch earth and will win 5NC before he is done at Ohio State. He will never lose and is unstoppable!


So when you put those two together you get really what Meyer is: An great coach that Ohio State is lucky to have. He will have a lot of talented teams but doesn't mean he is going to win a NC at Ohio State. He has a lot of work to do to get to that level. I think he will get there but lets not act like we will become unstoppable in CFB. That doesn't happen, Bama is the closest thing to do that, and it would take a lot of top that.

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Feb 27, 2014 13:18:40 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

I'm sure ABM is just tired of how some people say Meyer is the greatest coach to touch earth and will win 5NC before he is done at Ohio State. He will never lose and is unstoppable!

I can agree with that. I'm sick of those fans too. Fortunately I don't think we have any here.

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Feb 27, 2014 13:39:25 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

Feb 27, 2014 13:18:40 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

I'm sure ABM is just tired of how some people say Meyer is the greatest coach to touch earth and will win 5NC before he is done at Ohio State. He will never lose and is unstoppable!

I can agree with that. I'm sick of those fans too. Fortunately I don't think we have any here.

Yes, agree completely. I do think he was/is the perfect coach to come here. Exactly what we needed. Very reasonable to think that multiple NC's is possible with him but alot to be done to get there.

[angrybaldman]

Feb 27, 2014 13:04:20 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

Feb 27, 2014 10:56:20 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Yeah Cooper lost a chance for the title game by beating UM and losing to MSU too.

You're trying to hard ABM. It's almost like you want him to be Cooper.

No, I don't want him to be like Cooper. He has all this talent and has yet to beat top competition since coming to Ohio State, which is pretty much what Cooper was like. I am merely pointing to the fact that the possibility exists that he is a great recruiter and an average coach at this point.

His past performance at other school is notable, but he hasn't accomplished much here to date against sub-par competition.

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To give him the benefit of the doubt, he won every game possible in his first season. Not his fault he didn't have the chance to play another two. This season our defense was far from having great talent. Worst linebacking corp I can remember at OSU. Once Bryant went down it seemed like one of the worst secondarys too. This is his third season and he will have a lot of his own recruits playing significant time. He's on the clock now. If he struggles against top competition from this point forward...no excuses.

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Feb 27, 2014 18:43:53 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Feb 27, 2014 13:04:20 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

You're trying to hard ABM. It's almost like you want him to be Cooper.

No, I don't want him to be like Cooper. He has all this talent and has yet to beat top competition since coming to Ohio State, which is pretty much what Cooper was like. I am merely pointing to the fact that the possibility exists that he is a great recruiter and an average coach at this point.

His past performance at other school is notable, but he hasn't accomplished much here to date against sub-par competition.

ABM he has accomplished a ton here.  Remember being 6-7 with an average recruiting class coming in?  Meyer turned that into an amazing class and an 24-0 start with two wins over our main rival.  I agree he didn't coach well against MSU, but if Philly Brown doesn't drop that punt against Clemson, Meyer is 25-1 in two seasons with a BCS win and 2 wins over scUM... WITH more amazing stacked classes on the way.

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Feb 27, 2014 19:59:26 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

To give him the benefit of the doubt, he won every game possible in his first season. Not his fault he didn't have the chance to play another two. This season our defense was far from having great talent. Worst linebacking corp I can remember at OSU. Once Bryant went down it seemed like one of the worst secondarys too. This is his third season and he will have a lot of his own recruits playing significant time. He's on the clock now. If he struggles against top competition from this point forward...no excuses.

Agreed... we don't have the sample size yet to say he has let us down against top competition.  He coached poorly in one game (MSU).   Agreed, moving forward if this becomes a trend then I will be concerned, but he is just getting started with all the guys he needs to compete at the highest level, and I for one am very excited for the future.

[angrybaldman]

Mar 3, 2014 8:05:21 GMT -5 @teddy said:

Feb 27, 2014 18:43:53 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

No, I don't want him to be like Cooper. He has all this talent and has yet to beat top competition since coming to Ohio State, which is pretty much what Cooper was like. I am merely pointing to the fact that the possibility exists that he is a great recruiter and an average coach at this point.

His past performance at other school is notable, but he hasn't accomplished much here to date against sub-par competition.

ABM he has accomplished a ton here.  Remember being 6-7 with an average recruiting class coming in?  Meyer turned that into an amazing class and an 24-0 start with two wins over our main rival.  I agree he didn't coach well against MSU, but if Philly Brown doesn't drop that punt against Clemson, Meyer is 25-1 in two seasons with a BCS win and 2 wins over scUM... WITH more amazing stacked classes on the way.

You can't hang the bowl game loss solely on Philly. There were a lot of coaching mistakes in both MSU and Clemson, most notable letting Braxton stay in and throw the game away when everyone could tell he was hurt and you have one of the best backup QBs available to come in.

Yes he recruits a lot of guys, but where were they when our defense was going into the sh!tter this year? Why hold them back when you have such a talented QB/RB combo?

Again, I am not saying that Meyer is a bum, but he has sh!t the bed in his two biggest games at OSU and quite frankly almost blew the Michigan game this year.

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I think this coming year is the first year we can really begin to judge Urban because he will start to have more of "his guys" on the field than players someone else recruited. I doubt we're winning a title this season but we should see how his vision is taking shape.

[victor2111]

Mar 3, 2014 11:02:26 GMT -5 @theurbaneffect said:

I think this coming year is the first year we can really begin to judge Urban because he will start to have more of "his guys" on the field than players someone else recruited. I doubt we're winning a title this season but we should see how his vision is taking shape.

This is a big year for Meyer. 3rd year coaching, there better he something to bring back in Columbus. AT LEAST a Big 10 title & BCS bowl win/playoff appearance..

[WANG]

Mar 3, 2014 14:17:46 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

Mar 3, 2014 11:02:26 GMT -5 @theurbaneffect said:

I think this coming year is the first year we can really begin to judge Urban because he will start to have more of "his guys" on the field than players someone else recruited. I doubt we're winning a title this season but we should see how his vision is taking shape.

This is a big year for Meyer. 3rd year coaching, there better he something to bring back in Columbus. AT LEAST a Big 10 title & BCS bowl win/playoff appearance..

Breaking in 4 new OL starters, losing their best WR, losing their STUD of an RB who was a lot of their offense, losing their best CB and best LB...OSU has a ton of holes to fill next season.

I think that winning the B1G and a BCS game might be a bit of a rough go for this squad, unless they make MONUMENTAL steps forward on D and still maintain the same firepower on offense.

[victor2111]

Mar 3, 2014 15:26:14 GMT -5 WANG said:

Mar 3, 2014 14:17:46 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

This is a big year for Meyer. 3rd year coaching, there better he something to bring back in Columbus. AT LEAST a Big 10 title & BCS bowl win/playoff appearance..

Breaking in 4 new OL starters, losing their best WR, losing their STUD of an RB who was a lot of their offense, losing their best CB and best LB...OSU has a ton of holes to fill next season.

I think that winning the B1G and a BCS game might be a bit of a rough go for this squad, unless they make MONUMENTAL steps forward on D and still maintain the same firepower on offense.

There was good talent left when Meyer got here and he has brought in 3 of his top 5 classes. The B10 is not the strongest conferences. So I'm not giving him excuse for this year.

If we have 0 B10 Titles & 0 BCS Bowl wins after 3 years, that is a disappointing start to the era. No excuse about it.

[ohstatefan]

Another thing that hasn't been mentioned in here is that Meyer also had scholarship reductions to deal with, even though it was just 3 per year over 3 years. The 15-16 season would be our first at full strength.