Refump - rules question

[cwerph]

Two plays in the OSU-Cinci game:

1) offensive pass interference. the db clearly held, but the receiver did push off. Is that offense, defense, or double foul?


2) illegal man down field, td called back.

My take: The offensive linemen had released to the 2nd level. It was clearly a running play. The QB did a great improv play to flip it to the receiver once the LB released to go after the QB but the LB read correctly that this was a run play because the OL were so far up field.

Thanks.

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On the 1 st one there are no "double fouls" like in basketball but you can have multiple fouls on a play. Hypothetically defensive holding and OPI could be flagged and you offset and replay the down. Personally I thought no flag on that play was best.


On the second one ( I think college is the same as high school on this) no lineman can be beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward pass. Does not matter on any "running" during the play. I thought it was pretty close on that play which means you usually do not throw the flag.

My first reaction to both plays was no flag but defensive holding would not be a bad flag.

[cwerph]

Sept 28, 2014 16:53:52 GMT -5 @theref said:

On the 1 st one there are no "double fouls" like in basketball but you can have multiple fouls on a play. Hypothetically defensive holding and OPI could be flagged and you offset and replay the down. Personally I thought no flag on that play was best.


On the second one ( I think college is the same as high school on this) no lineman can be beyond the expanded neutral zone on a legal forward pass. Does not matter on any "running" during the play. I thought it was pretty close on that play which means you usually do not throw the flag.

My first reaction to both plays was no flag but defensive holding would not be a bad flag.

Thanks. My only response is that letting the o-line get to the second level then letting the qb pass is an unfair advantage to the offense. If the o-linemen get down field, shouldn't the defense have a right to ignore the pass once that happens?

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The expanded neutral zone in high school is 3yds on each side of the line of scrimmage. Not sure if it's the same in college. Basically means they can be 3yds past the LOS on a legal forward pass. My position is Umpire so that is one of my main responsibilities. At the snap, if I read pass I immediately move up to where that expanded neutral zone line would be. I don't split hairs. If no lineman have completely passed me then I'm good with no one down field.

[nwohiofn]

If three yards is the college rule, then this was not even close. The lineman whose number was called was at least five yards beyond the line and there were at least two linemen on the left side of the line beyond him. It was a good call.

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Sept 29, 2014 8:30:11 GMT -5 nwohiofn said:

If three yards is the college rule, then this was not even close. The lineman whose number was called was at least five yards beyond the line and there were at least two linemen on the left side of the line beyond him. It was a good call.

Not what I saw. The one player looked like he was possibly 3-4 yds. No other lineman were that close.
I'm glad we got the call but could have easily been a no flag. We'll take it. !