Somebody wants to come home

[WANG]

Jun 11, 2014 9:57:17 GMT -5 ohstatefan said:

Bringing up games against CIncinnati, Penn State and Purdue highlights the importance of Clarett rather than refuting it. Remember he had several injuries, most notably the stinger injury to his shoulder in the opening series of the Penn State game. Purdue was his first game back and he only had 14 carries. He didn't play at all against Cincinnati.

I think we only ended up getting 8 games out of him at OSU.

He played in 11 games, I don't know how many games he was limited in due to his injury.

Regardless, even in games where he was healthy and he played, it's not as thought OSU was an offensive juggernaut.

Again, I am not arguing that he wasn't an important piece to the puzzle, just that he isn't the ONLY or even MOST important piece, and that seems to be what others are implying, maybe I am misunderstanding.

I just disagree with the idea that MoC was the most important player and OSU won their NC because of him. You can't say that your most important player was on offense when your offense was bad even WITH him, and your defense was one of the best in the country.

On top of that, if we did only get about 8 games of service out of him, then HOW can he have won the NC for OSU? That means he missed 6, over 40%, of the games and OSU STILL won the NC. That would argue against his importance.

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Jun 11, 2014 10:18:12 GMT -5 WANG said:

Jun 11, 2014 9:57:17 GMT -5 ohstatefan said:

Bringing up games against CIncinnati, Penn State and Purdue highlights the importance of Clarett rather than refuting it. Remember he had several injuries, most notably the stinger injury to his shoulder in the opening series of the Penn State game. Purdue was his first game back and he only had 14 carries. He didn't play at all against Cincinnati.

I think we only ended up getting 8 games out of him at OSU.

He played in 11 games, I don't know how many games he was limited in due to his injury.

Regardless, even in games where he was healthy and he played, it's not as thought OSU was an offensive juggernaut.

Again, I am not arguing that he wasn't an important piece to the puzzle, just that he isn't the ONLY or even MOST important piece, and that seems to be what others are implying, maybe I am misunderstanding.

I just disagree with the idea that MoC was the most important player and OSU won their NC because of him. You can't say that your most important player was on offense when your offense was bad even WITH him, and your defense was one of the best in the country.

On top of that, if we did only get about 8 games of service out of him, then HOW can he have won the NC for OSU? That means he missed 6, over 40%, of the games and OSU STILL won the NC. That would argue against his importance.

I agree with you Wang. Well said. For me it was the defense and Krenzel and oh yeah....a little guy named Jim !

[angrybaldman]

MoC went to jail. He paid for his crimes.

TP got a signing bonus. He was paid for his.

[ohstatefan]

Jun 11, 2014 10:18:12 GMT -5 WANG said:

Jun 11, 2014 9:57:17 GMT -5 ohstatefan said:

Bringing up games against CIncinnati, Penn State and Purdue highlights the importance of Clarett rather than refuting it. Remember he had several injuries, most notably the stinger injury to his shoulder in the opening series of the Penn State game. Purdue was his first game back and he only had 14 carries. He didn't play at all against Cincinnati.

I think we only ended up getting 8 games out of him at OSU.

He played in 11 games, I don't know how many games he was limited in due to his injury.

Regardless, even in games where he was healthy and he played, it's not as thought OSU was an offensive juggernaut.

Again, I am not arguing that he wasn't an important piece to the puzzle, just that he isn't the ONLY or even MOST important piece, and that seems to be what others are implying, maybe I am misunderstanding.

I just disagree with the idea that MoC was the most important player and OSU won their NC because of him. You can't say that your most important player was on offense when your offense was bad even WITH him, and your defense was one of the best in the country.

On top of that, if we did only get about 8 games of service out of him, then HOW can he have won the NC for OSU? That means he missed 6, over 40%, of the games and OSU STILL won the NC. That would argue against his importance.

I don't think he alone won the NC for OSU. Like I said earlier it's a team sport, no one guy is going to win you a championship, even though we all often do that with other teams. Some say Auburn only won because of Cam Newton or FSU because of Jameis Winston.

To me, Clarett was one of the most important players on the offense. And the offense was so anemic that when he was out, it was very noticeable. Even apart from stats alone, he just seemed to ignite a spark in everyone around him. But it was certainly the defense and special teams that were the strengths of that team. The defense often seemed to give the ball to the offense around the opponent's end zone. When that consistently happens and you're not blowing out opponents, that's a big sign the offense has problems. When you have to rely so heavily on your punter and FG kicker, that's another sign.

But, they got the job done.

[ohstatefan]

Jun 11, 2014 10:45:52 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

MoC went to jail. He paid for his crimes.

TP got a signing bonus. He was paid for his.

MoC's crimes were actual crimes.

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Jun 11, 2014 10:45:52 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

MoC went to jail. He paid for his crimes.

TP got a signing bonus. He was paid for his.

PERFECTLY PUT! BL!

[WANG]

MoC committed ACTUAL CRIMES.

TP got discounted tattoos and was forced to forgo his Senior season, costing him millions in the draft. They both paid for their transgressions.

[victor2111]

Jun 11, 2014 10:18:12 GMT -5 WANG said:

Again, I am not arguing that he wasn't an important piece to the puzzle, just that he isn't the ONLY or even MOST important piece, and that seems to be what others are implying, maybe I am misunderstanding.

I'm not saying Mo C won a NC by himself, but I would argue he was the one piece you would hate to lose the most(if there was a list, he would be #1).

I mean if we lose any starter, it would be harder to win a NC. But Mo C probably the hardest one to replace on the roster.

1. There was no RB after Mo C.
2. A guy like Mike Doss would hurt a lot if we didn't have him but Will ALlen was our backup safety that year to Mike Doss. The next year he was an All American as a starter. He was Doss backup in 02. So if we did lose Doss, Allen could have limited the damage a lot by taking his place.
3. Bobby Carpenter and AJ Hawk were freshman who could play some at LB and not look bad out there. They could have given you a little something if Grant went out(which happen) or someone else.
4. There was very good deoth at DL. Losing Will Smith would have been a huge L, but maybe not as noticeable as a Mo C.

etc.

There was not many options on offense. Hell, Chris Gamble was our 2nd best WR and our best CB. Losing Mo C or Michael Jenkins would have killed the offense, but especially Mo C since he fit Tressel football style. Tressel needed a RB to run the clock, play his style of football, and MoC was the only one to do that.

The whole team fit together perfectly like a puzzle. So if any of the puzzle comes up missing, it probably doesn't end the same. I just think Mo C was a little bit bigger puzzle piece then the rest of the players.

Ohio State won with great defense, great ST, and offense that didn't hurt themselves and put the defense in bad position. MoC was needed.


It is hard to say this 1 player means much more than one other guy because football is a team sport. You need them all but, you get my point.

[victor2111]

Jun 11, 2014 10:45:52 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

MoC went to jail. He paid for his crimes.

TP got a signing bonus. He was paid for his.

yeah, TP never paid for his punishment. Come on....

MoC could have got a signing bonus if he wasn't too stupid making bad decisions. He decided not to take free $$$ and wanted more. He decided to be a criminal. He got what he deserved.

And that is coming from a fan of MoC and I think he has turned his life around 1000000%. Now he is making positive impacts but I will always wonder "what could have been" with him if he didn't mess up.

[WANG]

Yeah HBM, I just don't agree that MoC was the MOST important piece of the puzzle. If he were, then OSU wouldn't have made the NCG because he missed so much time during the season.

I agree that he was absolutely needed, but no more than any star on the team.

[victor2111]

Wang I did some stats research from 02 - 03.

02 Defense:
243.1YPG passing
77.1YPG rushing
13.1PPG

Difference from 02 vs 03 defense. Mike Doss,Kenny Peterson, Cie Grant, Matt Wilhelm, and Donny Nickey were all drafted. So a lot, almost half of starters gone.

03 defense:
234.5ypg pass
62.3ypg rush
17.6ppg


Less YPG but a few more PPG. This could have to do with lack of running game in 03, meaning less clock running and field position game.


02 Offense:
173.2ypg passing
191.3ypg rushing
1.2Turnovers per game
29.3PPG

16 rushing TD from Mo C and 31 rushing TD all together.

Difference from 02 offense vs 03 offense - Mo C and Chris Vance gone. But added Santonio Holmes so better WR over Vance.

03 offense:
206.1ypg passing
126.1ypg rushing
1.8turnovers per game
24.8PPG

Only 14 rushing TD all year long as team.


Not the best way to judge but shows you the impact of losing Maurice Clarett had to Ohio State offense. His impact was huge. There was no replacement for him and that was shown the following year.

[nerk]

Maybe selling this will help fund his trip:

www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202105318936980&set=pcb.638775152884827&type=1&theater


his 2008 Big Ten Championship ring. Someone in Newark is selling it