2015-16 B1G predictions

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When someone says that "MSU was not that good last year, period," they aren't worth debating with anymore. That comment alone shows that Cincy is either trolling or completely ignorant about the subject.

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Jan 29, 2015 10:48:19 GMT -5 @jtrbucks said:

When someone says that "MSU was not that good last year, period," they aren't worth debating with anymore. That comment alone shows that Cincy is either trolling or completely ignorant about the subject.

I saw them play last year against Oregon (loss), OSU (loss), Baylor (luckiest win I saw of any team last year), Purdue (looked like sh!t), and Nebraska, a game they almost gave away. So yes, when I saw them play last year, I was not that impressed, despite their record. They had a very Clemson type year, 10-11 wins, lost all the big ones.

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That did nothing to change my opinion regarding your take on the matter. You are extremely strong willed an opinionated but most of your opinions are based in biases that prevent you from seeing clearly. IMO that seems to be the case here.

[socaljd3]

Making excuses to back a lame stance is desperate...mich st thought not as good as year before last, still were a solid team. If they were lucky to beat Baylor, what does that say about Baylor letting a lead like that get away? Got out coached in that short stretch as well as bad qb play...mich st earned that win.

And...not all teams look great the entire year, hell bama could have lost a couple more games...one against arkansas in that low scoring game. OSU after the PSU OT game looked very mediocre...then got extremely hot late, which is what you want...but the days of rolling through a season i think are over. You might see flashes of it in a given year, but there's a lot more parity these days.

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I could not agree more on Bama. After they beat MSU everyone said they were the legit number one team.....did they not see the Arkansas and LSU games, where they should have lost? That was as much of an SEC bias as I have ever seen, and we saw how average some of their teams looked in bowl games.

Now back to the B1G, here is my take:


Ohio State 8-0 14-1 ELITE TEAM, NO QUESTION
Michigan State 7-1 11-2 VERY GOOD TEAM. STILL NEED TO SEE THEM WIN MORE BIG GAMES TO CALL THEM ELITE
Maryland 4-4 7-6 GARBAGE, BEAT NO ONE LAST YEAR
Rutgers 3-5 8-5 GARBAGE AS WELL, GOING 3-5 IN CONFERENCE
Michigan 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE BUT COULD BE BETTER SOON, I SAY 2-3 YEARS MINIMUM
Penn State 2-6 7-6 DECENT AT BEST, COULD BE BETTER SOON
Indiana 1-7 4-8 AWFUL TEAM
WEST CONF OVERALL
Wisconsin 7-1 11-3 VERY GOOD TEAM, SIMILAR TO MSU, BUT I GIVE MSU A SLIGHT EDGE
Minnesota 5-3 8-5 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Nebraska 5-3 9-4 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Iowa 4-4 7-6 DECENT TEAM, SIMILAR TO PSU
Illinois 3-5 6-7 GARBAGE
Northwestern 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE
Purdue 1-7 3- GARBAGE


So there you go, the east has an elite team and a very good team. The west has a very good team and two pretty good teams. Still not sure how people can look at these two divisions and think there is that much disparity.

[WANG]

Jan 30, 2015 10:43:32 GMT -5 @cincycanesfan said:

I could not agree more on Bama. After they beat MSU everyone said they were the legit number one team.....did they not see the Arkansas and LSU games, where they should have lost? That was as much of an SEC bias as I have ever seen, and we saw how average some of their teams looked in bowl games.

Now back to the B1G, here is my take:


Ohio State 8-0 14-1 ELITE TEAM, NO QUESTION
Michigan State 7-1 11-2 VERY GOOD TEAM. STILL NEED TO SEE THEM WIN MORE BIG GAMES TO CALL THEM ELITE
Maryland 4-4 7-6 GARBAGE, BEAT NO ONE LAST YEAR
Rutgers 3-5 8-5 GARBAGE AS WELL, GOING 3-5 IN CONFERENCE
Michigan 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE BUT COULD BE BETTER SOON, I SAY 2-3 YEARS MINIMUM
Penn State 2-6 7-6 DECENT AT BEST, COULD BE BETTER SOON
Indiana 1-7 4-8 AWFUL TEAM
WEST CONF OVERALL
Wisconsin 7-1 11-3 VERY GOOD TEAM, SIMILAR TO MSU, BUT I GIVE MSU A SLIGHT EDGE
Minnesota 5-3 8-5 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Nebraska 5-3 9-4 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Iowa 4-4 7-6 DECENT TEAM, SIMILAR TO PSU
Illinois 3-5 6-7 GARBAGE
Northwestern 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE
Purdue 1-7 3- GARBAGE


So there you go, the east has an elite team and a very good team. The west has a very good team and two pretty good teams. Still not sure how people can look at these two divisions and think there is that much disparity.

Wow. This is the most well thought out, rationale argument I think I have ever seen you post in relation to the B1G and OSU. BL4U.

I think the disparity is perceived strength next season.

PeeSU is on the rise, and Franklin keeps landing good recruiting classes, plus they have Hackenburg who is turning into a solid QB.

ScUM just hired Harbaugh, and while their team stinks, I attribute a LOT of that to coaching and lack of player development; there is plenty of talent on that team, it's just a matter of developing it. I think people are assuming (fairly or unfairly) that Harbaugh will bring about a similar turn around to what Meyer did at OSU.

MSU will be solid again, probably the second best team in the B1G.

The rest of the East (outside of OSU) is garbage, but no worse than the garbage in the West.

When you look at the West next season:

Wisky is bringing in a new coach (not by choice like Harbaugh) so they will most likely struggle a bit.

Nebraska is a middling squad, better than the garbage of the East, but not as good as the middling East teams.

I don't think anyone has faith in Minny. Last year seems like an aberration more than the new standard.

Iowa is not decent like PeeSU. Iowa will be terrible until the replace Ferentz.

The rest of the West is just god awful, kind of like the bottom of the East.

But I see what you are saying.

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Jan 30, 2015 12:50:19 GMT -5 WANG said:

Jan 30, 2015 10:43:32 GMT -5 @cincycanesfan said:

I could not agree more on Bama. After they beat MSU everyone said they were the legit number one team.....did they not see the Arkansas and LSU games, where they should have lost? That was as much of an SEC bias as I have ever seen, and we saw how average some of their teams looked in bowl games.

Now back to the B1G, here is my take:


Ohio State 8-0 14-1 ELITE TEAM, NO QUESTION
Michigan State 7-1 11-2 VERY GOOD TEAM. STILL NEED TO SEE THEM WIN MORE BIG GAMES TO CALL THEM ELITE
Maryland 4-4 7-6 GARBAGE, BEAT NO ONE LAST YEAR
Rutgers 3-5 8-5 GARBAGE AS WELL, GOING 3-5 IN CONFERENCE
Michigan 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE BUT COULD BE BETTER SOON, I SAY 2-3 YEARS MINIMUM
Penn State 2-6 7-6 DECENT AT BEST, COULD BE BETTER SOON
Indiana 1-7 4-8 AWFUL TEAM
WEST CONF OVERALL
Wisconsin 7-1 11-3 VERY GOOD TEAM, SIMILAR TO MSU, BUT I GIVE MSU A SLIGHT EDGE
Minnesota 5-3 8-5 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Nebraska 5-3 9-4 GOOD TEAM, NOT GREAT
Iowa 4-4 7-6 DECENT TEAM, SIMILAR TO PSU
Illinois 3-5 6-7 GARBAGE
Northwestern 3-5 5-7 GARBAGE
Purdue 1-7 3- GARBAGE


So there you go, the east has an elite team and a very good team. The west has a very good team and two pretty good teams. Still not sure how people can look at these two divisions and think there is that much disparity.

Wow. This is the most well thought out, rationale argument I think I have ever seen you post in relation to the B1G and OSU. BL4U.

I think the disparity is perceived strength next season.

PeeSU is on the rise, and Franklin keeps landing good recruiting classes, plus they have Hackenburg who is turning into a solid QB.

ScUM just hired Harbaugh, and while their team stinks, I attribute a LOT of that to coaching and lack of player development; there is plenty of talent on that team, it's just a matter of developing it. I think people are assuming (fairly or unfairly) that Harbaugh will bring about a similar turn around to what Meyer did at OSU.

MSU will be solid again, probably the second best team in the B1G.

The rest of the East (outside of OSU) is garbage, but no worse than the garbage in the West.

When you look at the West next season:

Wisky is bringing in a new coach (not by choice like Harbaugh) so they will most likely struggle a bit.

Nebraska is a middling squad, better than the garbage of the East, but not as good as the middling East teams.

I don't think anyone has faith in Minny. Last year seems like an aberration more than the new standard.

Iowa is not decent like PeeSU. Iowa will be terrible until the replace Ferentz.

The rest of the West is just god awful, kind of like the bottom of the East.

But I see what you are saying.

I give kudos to Cincy as well. This might be his most rationale post on this board regardless of the topic.

I think MSU will be very good again next year. They are elite. Last year they had one loss and won the Roae Boel. This year their only losses were to the two teams that paled for the NC.

Wisky will struggle a bit with a new coach and losing Gordon. Yes they always seem to have a great back but there will be a drop off and their qb situation is pathetic.

PSU and UM are on the rise but have work to do. Iowa is terrible and regressing while PSU is on the rise.

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I can be reasonable from time to time! And yes, I was more looking at this year, not what the future may hold. Wisky could be down losing their coach and Gordon, but with Alvarez around, I still see them being tough. As far as MSU goes, I only saw them in the games where they looked merely good or average, so I will take your guy's word for it.

This should be an interesting season for our teams. OSU is on top of the world, but a QB controversy can divide a team as well. As for Miami, the schedule is set up for more wins, but I have ZERO faith in Golden, and we lost some key elements in Johnson, Perryman, Dorsett and Flowers. IMO Miami goes 8-4, Golden sights "progress", and sticks around.

As for OSU, I see a loss somewhere just because, but based on them being #1 or #2 to start the year, a one loss team still plays for the title IMO

[keln]

Ok Cincy, I'll admit your list seems pretty accurate. You lost me on the trashing MSU bit earlier, but you've got a pretty decent break down, although I'd argue Rutgers isn't "garbage". I'd say they are a middling team with limited prospects.

If Ohio State keeps winning NC's or at least performing well in the CFP, I think it will attract recruits to the B1G. If you can't get to the top team, at least get into their conference. That's how the SEC has had such success in recruiting in recent years. You don't really think top recruits just *had* to play for Auburn, Arkansas, or Ole Miss, right? Ohio State will raise the entire conference if they keep it up.

I mean, remember the SEC before Urban and Saban got there? It was just another conference. After the NC's, the perception drew recruits like a magnet. I think recruits got issued "SEC speed" on their first day.

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Jan 30, 2015 18:08:11 GMT -5 keln said:

Ok Cincy, I'll admit your list seems pretty accurate. You lost me on the trashing MSU bit earlier, but you've got a pretty decent break down, although I'd argue Rutgers isn't "garbage". I'd say they are a middling team with limited prospects.

If Ohio State keeps winning NC's or at least performing well in the CFP, I think it will attract recruits to the B1G. If you can't get to the top team, at least get into their conference. That's how the SEC has had such success in recruiting in recent years. You don't really think top recruits just *had* to play for Auburn, Arkansas, or Ole Miss, right? Ohio State will raise the entire conference if they keep it up.

I mean, remember the SEC before Urban and Saban got there? It was just another conference. After the NC's, the perception drew recruits like a magnet. I think recruits got issued "SEC speed" on their first day.

Success by a top team can do that to a conference. To a lesser degree, I think you saw that with FSU in the ACC and Miami in the Big East. This was especially true before EVERY game was on TV as well.

As for the rest of the conference, the east does have a lot more potential, but I have to disagree on Rutgers. They did the same thing they did in the BE for years, beat a bunch of bad teams, and get their asses kicked against anyone of substance. I will be shocked if they are ever any good in the B1G.

As for scUM, Harbaugh has a Herculian task at UM, and here is why. They have been gutted by Hoke, and IMO it will be harder than ever to get kids to go up there with Urban locking down Ohio, and scUM has been in a state of flux and turmoil for the past 6 years or so, despite the one 11 win season. Much like Miami, they are simply not who they used to be. Maybe he is the guy to turn it around, but the task looms large.

[keln]

Jan 31, 2015 8:48:21 GMT -5 @cincycanesfan said:

Jan 30, 2015 18:08:11 GMT -5 keln said:

Ok Cincy, I'll admit your list seems pretty accurate. You lost me on the trashing MSU bit earlier, but you've got a pretty decent break down, although I'd argue Rutgers isn't "garbage". I'd say they are a middling team with limited prospects.

If Ohio State keeps winning NC's or at least performing well in the CFP, I think it will attract recruits to the B1G. If you can't get to the top team, at least get into their conference. That's how the SEC has had such success in recruiting in recent years. You don't really think top recruits just *had* to play for Auburn, Arkansas, or Ole Miss, right? Ohio State will raise the entire conference if they keep it up.

I mean, remember the SEC before Urban and Saban got there? It was just another conference. After the NC's, the perception drew recruits like a magnet. I think recruits got issued "SEC speed" on their first day.

Success by a top team can do that to a conference. To a lesser degree, I think you saw that with FSU in the ACC and Miami in the Big East. This was especially true before EVERY game was on TV as well.

As for the rest of the conference, the east does have a lot more potential, but I have to disagree on Rutgers. They did the same thing they did in the BE for years, beat a bunch of bad teams, and get their asses kicked against anyone of substance. I will be shocked if they are ever any good in the B1G.

As for scUM, Harbaugh has a Herculian task at UM, and here is why. They have been gutted by Hoke, and IMO it will be harder than ever to get kids to go up there with Urban locking down Ohio, and scUM has been in a state of flux and turmoil for the past 6 years or so, despite the one 11 win season. Much like Miami, they are simply not who they used to be. Maybe he is the guy to turn it around, but the task looms large.

I agree with you on scUM. I'm not sure whats going to happen with them. They got the kind of coach they needed, but that's not a guarantee if kids just don't want to play there. In any case it's going to take several recruiting classes to make it Harbaugh's team, and then we'll see if he's worth the money they dropped on him.

[cwerph]

I don't see it with PSU, especially with Hackenburg at QB. He is a drop-back, pro-style qb with no OL, mediocre running backs and a good defense. Franklin wants to run a shotgun spread offense. Square peg, round hole.


I am not sold on Franklin as a coach. When he was at Vandy, he never beat an SEC team with a winning record. He built his resume on a cupcake OOC schedule that got him into 3rd tier bowl games and has not proven that he can win against even decent competition.

[victor2111]

Feb 1, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5 cwerph said:

I don't see it with PSU, especially with Hackenburg at QB. He is a drop-back, pro-style qb with no OL, mediocre running backs and a good defense. Franklin wants to run a shotgun spread offense. Square peg, round hole.


I am not sold on Franklin as a coach. When he was at Vandy, he never beat an SEC team with a winning record. He built his resume on a cupcake OOC schedule that got him into 3rd tier bowl games and has not proven that he can win against even decent competition.

He took over one of the worst college programs there is, a program who never made it to back2back bowl games. In 3 seasons, he made it to a bowl game every year and went 2-1. He beat programs like Georgia, Missouri, Florida. Played other tough like South Carolina.

Nobody is calling him urban meyer but what he did was still impressive.

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Feb 1, 2015 14:52:14 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

Feb 1, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5 cwerph said:

I don't see it with PSU, especially with Hackenburg at QB. He is a drop-back, pro-style qb with no OL, mediocre running backs and a good defense. Franklin wants to run a shotgun spread offense. Square peg, round hole.


I am not sold on Franklin as a coach. When he was at Vandy, he never beat an SEC team with a winning record. He built his resume on a cupcake OOC schedule that got him into 3rd tier bowl games and has not proven that he can win against even decent competition.

He took over one of the worst college programs there is, a program who never made it to back2back bowl games. In 3 seasons, he made it to a bowl game every year and went 2-1. He beat programs like Georgia, Missouri, Florida. Played other tough like South Carolina.

Nobody is calling him urban meyer but what he did was still impressive.

What he has done there is admirable, but one more good year and he will bolt for a better spot. PSU could become a stepping stone school for the near future

[WANG]

Feb 1, 2015 12:30:49 GMT -5 cwerph said:

I don't see it with PSU, especially with Hackenburg at QB. He is a drop-back, pro-style qb with no OL, mediocre running backs and a good defense. Franklin wants to run a shotgun spread offense. Square peg, round hole.


I am not sold on Franklin as a coach. When he was at Vandy, he never beat an SEC team with a winning record. He built his resume on a cupcake OOC schedule that got him into 3rd tier bowl games and has not proven that he can win against even decent competition.

Franklin is an excellent recruiter, the question is can he develop that talent.

PeeSU isn't Vandy, he can get 4 and 5 star guys in there, but as we saw at TSUN, stars mean nothing if you can't develop them. Time will tell on this one.