The other thing is that it was a parental complaint. To me, if the child wasn't complaining, the parents have no right due to most college kids being consider an adult.
I don't agree wrt the parents having to stay out because they aren't kids anymore. I do agree with the jist of what you are saying. If the kids don't care then so be it. if the kids can opt out, then so be it. ofc opting out isn't so easy when you want to fit in.
im not a fan of hazing and all that nonsense. even still, i'm a bit surprised he was fired. i can't imagine the students were okay with this decision. judging from what's been posted online and on facebook, neither are many of the band alumni.
The other thing is that it was a parental complaint. To me, if the child wasn't complaining, the parents have no right due to most college kids being consider an adult.
I don't agree wrt the parents having to stay out because they aren't kids anymore. I do agree with the jist of what you are saying. If the kids don't care then so be it. if the kids can opt out, then so be it. ofc opting out isn't so easy when you want to fit in.
im not a fan of hazing and all that nonsense. even still, i'm a bit surprised he was fired. i can't imagine the students were okay with this decision. judging from what's been posted online and on facebook, neither are many of the band alumni.
Ken,
After rereading the report OSU issued, it appears that Waters was interviewed several different times and in his first interview, he said he was unaware of things, or that it was that way before but not under his watch. Then they interviewed others and presented him evidence to the contrary, and he changed his tune.
It's too bad, he truly was a band guy and it was obvious he was moving the band in an exciting direction. But, after reading the report, the university really had no other choice but to fire him. They weren't going to get egg on their face again like Tress.
Great read! It was like that for my mom as secretary in the 50's. The guys may have been a little gruff, but they protected their own to the end. She never walked on campus alone, nor did she ever fear for her safety as the band guys took care of her.
The thing that does disturb me, now that I have also read some of the other things coming out on this, the University does have some massive issues with both TBDBITL and The Alumni Band. There has been some infighting between them including who owns the rights to the traditional fight songs, the fact that many in the administration and academic side felt that the director should have a Doctorate, which Jon didn't, Also the athletic department struggles with Alumni Band weekend because those or tickets that aren't sold at face value and the band take up precious seats in the stadium.
So, I now wonder if there is something more to this.
I'm usually old school on things but in this day and age you can't involve yourself or as an adult in charge turn the other cheek to mis- behavior, no matter how minor. Firing him was necessary. Pretty immature stuff going on here. I would be less surprised if it were high school. But at a major college university with all the attention this band program receives, you just can't let this stuff happen with semi - adults.
I'm usually old school on things but in this day and age you can't involve yourself or as an adult in charge turn the other cheek to mis- behavior, no matter how minor. Firing him was necessary. Pretty immature stuff going on here. I would be less surprised if it were high school. But at a major college university with all the attention this band program receives, you just can't let this stuff happen with semi - adults.
They aren't "semi-adults". They are adults. It is pretty standard college fare and an adverse reaction of political correctness. I agree with GBG that there is something else going on here with the admin.
I'm usually old school on things but in this day and age you can't involve yourself or as an adult in charge turn the other cheek to mis- behavior, no matter how minor. Firing him was necessary. Pretty immature stuff going on here. I would be less surprised if it were high school. But at a major college university with all the attention this band program receives, you just can't let this stuff happen with semi - adults.
They aren't "semi-adults". They are adults. It is pretty standard college fare and an adverse reaction of political correctness. I agree with GBG that there is something else going on here with the admin.
I said semi because they are still not totally part of usual adult life yet. Work, bills full adult responsibilities. I know legally they are adults
