NCAA Changes for Food and Pot

[WANG]

For a lot of these kids, it isn't a "choice", their plan is to try to go pro, and since the NFL and NBA don't really have a farm system, college is the only way to go.

I think beating up kids for wanting to be allowed to eat as much free food as they want is a bit harsh. And these kids ABSOLUTELY earn it.

They spend 20 hours a week practicing, and countless hours doing film study, working out, etc. It is basically a full time job to go along with their classes, and they aren't getting paid for it. Yes, they get a full ride, but they don't get any spending cash, so limiting their food makes no sense.

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Apr 17, 2014 11:33:53 GMT -5 WANG said:

For a lot of these kids, it isn't a "choice", their plan is to try to go pro, and since the NFL and NBA don't really have a farm system, college is the only way to go.

I think beating up kids for wanting to be allowed to eat as much free food as they want is a bit harsh. And these kids ABSOLUTELY earn it.

They spend 20 hours a week practicing, and countless hours doing film study, working out, etc. It is basically a full time job to go along with their classes, and they aren't getting paid for it. Yes, they get a full ride, but they don't get any spending cash, so limiting their food makes no sense.

So it is okay to limit the other kids? Not buying into that. You could classify that as discrimination. Give the football player all the food he wants but not the kid who is on the debate team etc etc etc.

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Wang... first of all, you make great points, but if Ref makes up his mind he will not change it, so you can't present him with any facts that will affect his decision. I'm not sure Ref understands that just because Athletes are only "allowed" to practice so many hours, that means nothing... because the culture of the program says if you aren't going above and beyond without the coaches present like in the weight room and film room then you won't play... so in actuality they have to spend far more time then what is supposed to be the max. They don't have time to work a side job like normal students can. Jeez, it's just food from a damn cafeteria... chill.

[WANG]

Apr 17, 2014 13:10:38 GMT -5 @theref said:

Apr 17, 2014 11:33:53 GMT -5 WANG said:

For a lot of these kids, it isn't a "choice", their plan is to try to go pro, and since the NFL and NBA don't really have a farm system, college is the only way to go.

I think beating up kids for wanting to be allowed to eat as much free food as they want is a bit harsh. And these kids ABSOLUTELY earn it.

They spend 20 hours a week practicing, and countless hours doing film study, working out, etc. It is basically a full time job to go along with their classes, and they aren't getting paid for it. Yes, they get a full ride, but they don't get any spending cash, so limiting their food makes no sense.

So it is okay to limit the other kids? Not buying into that. You could classify that as discrimination. Give the football player all the food he wants but not the kid who is on the debate team etc etc etc.

Who is being limited? It's not just football, it's ANY scholarship athlete. If the kid on the debate team is a scholarship athlete, he can now get unlimited food as well.

And let's not pretend that the NCAA is charity either. There are PLENTY of athletes in non revenue sports that only get PARTIAL scholarships. And why is that? It's simple, it's money. If a sport makes a program money, then they are going to want to bring in the best to keep it that way.

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Apr 17, 2014 13:46:58 GMT -5 WANG said:

Apr 17, 2014 13:10:38 GMT -5 @theref said:

So it is okay to limit the other kids? Not buying into that. You could classify that as discrimination. Give the football player all the food he wants but not the kid who is on the debate team etc etc etc.

Who is being limited? It's not just football, it's ANY scholarship athlete. If the kid on the debate team is a scholarship athlete, he can now get unlimited food as well.

And let's not pretend that the NCAA is charity either. There are PLENTY of athletes in non revenue sports that only get PARTIAL scholarships. And why is that? It's simple, it's money. If a sport makes a program money, then they are going to want to bring in the best to keep it that way.

Not what I meant. I'm talking any kid that is not on scholly. The scholly athletes have it made in comparison.

[WANG]

Apr 17, 2014 14:47:21 GMT -5 @theref said:

Not what I meant. I'm talking any kid that is not on scholly. The scholly athletes have it made in comparison.

Well by that standpoint, then we shouldn't give ANY kid a scholarship for ANYTHING.

If a kid is gifted with a great intellect and gets a full ride academic scholarship with free room and board and a monthly stipend, which is actually a real thing, would you be upset because the poor working man doesn't get the same?

If not, then that is an absurd double standard.

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Apr 17, 2014 14:57:56 GMT -5 WANG said:

Apr 17, 2014 14:47:21 GMT -5 @theref said:

Not what I meant. I'm talking any kid that is not on scholly. The scholly athletes have it made in comparison.

Well by that standpoint, then we shouldn't give ANY kid a scholarship for ANYTHING.

If a kid is gifted with a great intellect and gets a full ride academic scholarship with free room and board and a monthly stipend, which is actually a real thing, would you be upset because the poor working man doesn't get the same?

If not, then that is an absurd double standard.

Not what I'm saying at all. What they get now is enough. If extra is going somewhere give it to the kid who has none, or into the university as a whole. "Pay it forward"

[WANG]

Apr 17, 2014 15:45:33 GMT -5 @theref said:

Not what I'm saying at all. What they get now is enough. If extra is going somewhere give it to the kid who has none, or into the university as a whole. "Pay it forward"

This is eerily similar to the discussion I had with Nerk about the Tigers and paying Carbrera an absurd amount of money.

Universities are not charities. They are NOT required to give money out to everyone like some sort of socialism.

Would it be great if they took extra money and gave out more scholarships to "at need" kids? Of course it would.

But getting mad at scholarship athletes because they are now allowed to get more food, and basically complaining that they are spoiled because of it makes zero sense to me.

Yes, they should be lucky that they are simply getting their education paid for. But let's not act like cafeteria food is some great luxury either.

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Okay I just listened to Emmert talk about it and I feel a little better about it. I imagined giving students money for food or walking in to any place with money to burn. The schools/athletic dept's will determine the food plans with no limitations on them. I'm sure coaches, trainers and strength coaches will have diet plans for their athletes.  Student athletes will not be able to receive "free" food from places on the the establishments dime.  They still cannot be courted, so to speak, by boosters, agents and the like to buy them dinners. So basically they are still receiving a meal plan that is monitored.

[WANG]

Apr 18, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -5 @theref said:

Okay I just listened to Emmert talk about it and I feel a little better about it. I imagined giving students money for food or walking in to any place with money to burn. The schools/athletic dept's will determine the food plans with no limitations on them. I'm sure coaches, trainers and strength coaches will have diet plans for their athletes.  Student athletes will not be able to receive "free" food from places on the the establishments dime.  They still cannot be courted, so to speak, by boosters, agents and the like to buy them dinners. So basically they are still receiving a meal plan that is monitored.

Ah, okay, now I see why you were so upset about it.

Yeah, like I said they get to eat at the school cafeterias, etc, not any place that would be considered nice

I am a bit worried, however, that you feel better about anything Emmeret said