Ranking the Big 10 update:

[thepryoreffect]

Jun 2, 2009 13:05:08 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:01:36 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

I am one who believe TP will be one of the best to have played at OSU. However, I am not ready to elevate him to that level just yet. He has demonstrated amazing potential. He has also developed wonderfully during last season. However, we don't give Saine a pass because he has great potential as a RB, so why give TP one now?

Exactly. I refuse to buy into the hype machine or give accolades where they are not earned. To date, TP has shown us he is an excellent running QB and poor-to-mediocre passer despite the statistical shell game that people like to play at times.

Perhaps this year, he will become Jesus behind center, but I am not going to say that he is there until he shows he is there.

I'm not trying to crown anyone. I just don't think there are seven better players than him in the Big Ten. If he fell at like, #5, I'd have a lot less of a problem with it. Two Penn St. backers ahead of him? Hard to swallow. Their RB is going to be one of the top players(as I said he may finish #1 in an earlier post), so they're going to beat OSU on the list 5-3 or 6-3. This guy might be a PSU fan.

[angrybaldman]

If there was an 11 team draft using players on every Big Ten roster, you are saying you would take Pryor with picks 1-5 in the first round if you had them?

[victor2111]

Jun 2, 2009 13:17:25 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

If there was an 11 team draft using players on every Big Ten roster, you are saying you would take Pryor with picks 1-5 in the first round if you had them?

I would take him #1.

TP has the potential to be great and what position does he play?? QB!

QB will have more impact on a game than a LB,WR, and every other position almost.

So who are the top 5 players in the B10 going by that dude on ESPN list? I will say that I know 3 of them are PSU QB Clarke, PSU RB Royster Illinois WR Been.

I think Pryor is better than clarke and would have more of a impact than Been or Royster.

So yes I would take TP with the #1 pick if I had to draft a team with Big 10 players. Who would you take, ABM?

[thepryoreffect]

Jun 2, 2009 13:17:25 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

If there was an 11 team draft using players on every Big Ten roster, you are saying you would take Pryor with picks 1-5 in the first round if you had them?

Yes, he would be picked Top 5 for me.

The only player I could think of that I would potentially take over him is Royster out of PSU, simply because I think a dominant running game is a big deal.

[victor2111]

Jun 2, 2009 13:12:30 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:05:08 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Exactly. I refuse to buy into the hype machine or give accolades where they are not earned. To date, TP has shown us he is an excellent running QB and poor-to-mediocre passer despite the statistical shell game that people like to play at times.

Perhaps this year, he will become Jesus behind center, but I am not going to say that he is there until he shows he is there.

I'm not trying to crown anyone. I just don't think there are seven better players than him in the Big Ten. If he fell at like, #5, I'd have a lot less of a problem with it. Two Penn St. backers ahead of him? Hard to swallow. Their RB is going to be one of the top players(as I said he may finish #1 in an earlier post), so they're going to beat OSU on the list 5-3 or 6-3. This guy might be a PSU fan.

I posted the tally so far and it's 4-3 Penn State. I think I Know 4 of the top 5 left in no order

PSU QB Daryl Clarke
PSU RB Royster
Illinois WR Been
Minnesota WR Eric Decker(not on his list yet)

Can't think of who can be the 5th dude. So I think it ends at least 6-3 Penn State over Ohio State.

[mikeytbuckeyes]

Jun 2, 2009 13:10:39 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Jun 2, 2009 12:50:57 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

While I believe we are talking of the same points, I also believe we are viewing them differently. You see passing yards per game as being misleading because sacks count against them. I see them as an indicator of him as a player (a TOTAL player and not just an indicator of his athletic ability). Not all sacks were his fault, but we all know he took a large number of them that he could have and should have avoided by merely throwing the ball away. These go against him as well. So, until he has proven he has developed as a quarterback and makes those smart decisions and shows he has improved passing mechanics, I believe his ranking is a good one.

I agree with what you say for the most part. Boeckman was responsible for probably 200 yards of sacks though also which affects the average as well.

Ok, let's say we take TB out of the statistical equation. How do you think our ranking would look then? Better or worse? If you take TBs sacks out, you also have to take his passing yards out. I'd be willing to bet our yards per game drops to 135 or 140. TB only had 3 games to work with. The damage he did (or should I say the line did) was a drop in the bucket compared to the chances we had to improve our passing stats over the next 9 games.

[buckeyeabroad]

PSU had several returning all-Big10 picks. We had only Pryor as Frosh of the Year returning. Not surprised they beat us. This poll is as easy as pie to fill out.

[thepryoreffect]

Jun 2, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:10:39 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

I agree with what you say for the most part. Boeckman was responsible for probably 200 yards of sacks though also which affects the average as well.

Ok, let's say we take TB out of the statistical equation. How do you think our ranking would look then? Better or worse? If you take TBs sacks out, you also have to take his passing yards out. I'd be willing to bet our yards per game drops to 135 or 140. TB only had 3 games to work with. The damage he did (or should I say the line did) was a drop in the bucket compared to the chances we had to improve our passing stats over the next 9 games.

Honestly I'd have to check out the box scores of his games. I don't recall him playing well in one game. I remember he was awful against OU. How many games did he start? 3? I'm guessing our passing was slightly improved after TP came in though I'm not sure how significant it was.

[angrybaldman]

Jun 2, 2009 13:24:41 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:17:25 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

If there was an 11 team draft using players on every Big Ten roster, you are saying you would take Pryor with picks 1-5 in the first round if you had them?

I would take him #1.

TP has the potential to be great and what position does he play?? QB!

QB will have more impact on a game than a LB,WR, and every other position almost.

So who are the top 5 players in the B10 going by that dude on ESPN list? I will say that I know 3 of them are PSU QB Clarke, PSU RB Royster Illinois WR Been.

I think Pryor is better than clarke and would have more of a impact than Been or Royster.

So yes I would take TP with the #1 pick if I had to draft a team with Big 10 players. Who would you take, ABM?

They wouldn't be sexy picks, but you build a team around offensive and defensive lines IMO.

[angrybaldman]

Jun 2, 2009 13:37:16 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

Ok, let's say we take TB out of the statistical equation. How do you think our ranking would look then? Better or worse? If you take TBs sacks out, you also have to take his passing yards out. I'd be willing to bet our yards per game drops to 135 or 140. TB only had 3 games to work with. The damage he did (or should I say the line did) was a drop in the bucket compared to the chances we had to improve our passing stats over the next 9 games.

Honestly I'd have to check out the box scores of his games. I don't recall him playing well in one game. I remember he was awful against OU. How many games did he start? 3? I'm guessing our passing was slightly improved after TP came in though I'm not sure how significant it was.

He played pretty damn well against Texas and Michigan.

[victor2111]

Jun 2, 2009 12:46:37 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Jun 2, 2009 12:20:47 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

The big issue w/ TP is this: (as of last season) he is a QB who led his team to a 105th passing yds per game ranking. LBs don't have the ability to affect a team's stats the same way a QB does. It is easier to judge TPs overall effectiveness as a QB. If he does not have a developed passing game, he is only a RB who is allowed to throw the ball. I agree w/ ABM on this one. When we see a refined passing game, the media will have to move him up in their rankings. Until then, it is only hype and potential.

Passing yards per game is slightly skewed in college football. Sacks count against your passing yards I believe. TP was the highest rated QB in the Big Ten last year and as a frosh went what? 9-2? 10-2?

I believe it's the other way around. Sacks count against your rushing stats, not passing stats in CFB. NFL is different.

[thepryoreffect]

Jun 2, 2009 13:37:47 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:24:41 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

I would take him #1.

TP has the potential to be great and what position does he play?? QB!

QB will have more impact on a game than a LB,WR, and every other position almost.

So who are the top 5 players in the B10 going by that dude on ESPN list? I will say that I know 3 of them are PSU QB Clarke, PSU RB Royster Illinois WR Been.

I think Pryor is better than clarke and would have more of a impact than Been or Royster.

So yes I would take TP with the #1 pick if I had to draft a team with Big 10 players. Who would you take, ABM?

They wouldn't be sexy picks, but you build a team around offensive and defensive lines IMO.

Eh, I would tend to agree with you more if it was the NFL. There's no doubt that you NEED those things to be solid if not good but star power at the QB or RB position is more critical I think. They do go hand in hand though as far as wins and losses go.

[victor2111]

Jun 2, 2009 13:37:47 GMT -5 angrybaldman said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:24:41 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

I would take him #1.

TP has the potential to be great and what position does he play?? QB!

QB will have more impact on a game than a LB,WR, and every other position almost.

So who are the top 5 players in the B10 going by that dude on ESPN list? I will say that I know 3 of them are PSU QB Clarke, PSU RB Royster Illinois WR Been.

I think Pryor is better than clarke and would have more of a impact than Been or Royster.

So yes I would take TP with the #1 pick if I had to draft a team with Big 10 players. Who would you take, ABM?

They wouldn't be sexy picks, but you build a team around offensive and defensive lines IMO.

How many dominated OL and DL are there in the B10 is the next question?

If there is a GREAT OL in the B10 then yeah I would take them #1. But I can't think of one.

[victor2111]

Jun 2, 2009 13:37:16 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:28:44 GMT -5 mikeytbuckeyes said:

Ok, let's say we take TB out of the statistical equation. How do you think our ranking would look then? Better or worse? If you take TBs sacks out, you also have to take his passing yards out. I'd be willing to bet our yards per game drops to 135 or 140. TB only had 3 games to work with. The damage he did (or should I say the line did) was a drop in the bucket compared to the chances we had to improve our passing stats over the next 9 games.

Honestly I'd have to check out the box scores of his games. I don't recall him playing well in one game. I remember he was awful against OU. How many games did he start? 3? I'm guessing our passing was slightly improved after TP came in though I'm not sure how significant it was.

In the 3 games TB started: Passing yards
- 187+110+84 = 381/3 = He average 127yards per game during his 3starts(Not counting TP passing stats in each game)

In the 10 games TP started: Passing yards
- 139+70+144+97+116+226+197+49+120+66 = 122.4yards per game(not counting TB passing stats in each game)

TB average 22 passing attempts per start
TP average 14.8 passing attempts per start

[thepryoreffect]

Jun 2, 2009 13:47:46 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

Jun 2, 2009 13:37:16 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Honestly I'd have to check out the box scores of his games. I don't recall him playing well in one game. I remember he was awful against OU. How many games did he start? 3? I'm guessing our passing was slightly improved after TP came in though I'm not sure how significant it was.

In the 3 games TB started: Passing yards
- 187+110+84 = 381/3 = He average 127yards per game during his 3starts(Not counting TP passing stats in each game)

In the 10 games TP started: Passing yards
- 139+70+144+97+116+226+197+49+120+66 = 122.4yards per game(not counting TB passing stats in each game)

TB average 22 passing attempts per start
TP average 14.8 passing attempts per start

So perhaps Tressel's playbook hindered the passing offense more than Pryor's throws did? Not that I'm knocking Tress because TP was still a freshman making adjusments but obviously he was better last year than Boeckman.