College Poll #1

[victor2111]

Jul 29, 2009 19:04:17 GMT -5 @thepryoreffect said:

Who votes on the Heisman? I thought it was former Heisman winners or is that just a small percentage?

840 members of the media voted
54 votes from the past Heisman winners


Last year Tebow had the most #1 votes last year.

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Actually I was wrong, coaches do not vote...


There are 840 members of the media, with 145 from six different regions. And then the 54 living past Heisman Trophy winners. There is also 1 fan vote that is counted of all fans. Each ballot has three votes, for first, second, and third place. You get points based on what vote you got, first place, three points, second place 2 points, and third place 1 point.

[thevictors09]

1. A "near loss" to "overrated Ohio State" according to all the "haters" LAST YEAR has no bearing whatsoever on this season's Hypeman Award

2. Lil Vic neglected to list Jimmy Clausen among the possible winners and overlooking ND when it comes to pre-season Hypeman candidates is pure blasphemy.

3. Tebow won't win the Heisman for the same reason there was no repeat winner at USC.

4. Much of the logic applied to argue against McCoy winning would have applied to Troy Smith in an identical manner.

5. The Hypeman is a wholly subjective popularity contest rife with politics and other crap. McCoy is the non-Gay, non-Bible thumping golden boy complement to Tebow and more engaging than Bradford (who already won it).

6. The last true "best player in CFB" to win the Hypeman was Charles Woodson. Who then proceeded to actually win the national title game that followed, by actually playing like the "MVP."

[thepryoreffect]

Jul 29, 2009 20:23:36 GMT -5 @thevictors09 said:

1. A "near loss" to "overrated Ohio State" according to all the "haters" LAST YEAR has no bearing whatsoever on this season's Hypeman Award

2. Lil Vic neglected to list Jimmy Clausen among the possible winners and overlooking ND when it comes to pre-season Hypeman candidates is pure blasphemy.

3. Tebow won't win the Heisman for the same reason there was no repeat winner at USC.

4. Much of the logic applied to argue against McCoy winning would have applied to Troy Smith in an identical manner.

5. The Hypeman is a wholly subjective popularity contest rife with politics and other crap. McCoy is the non-Gay, non-Bible thumping golden boy complement to Tebow and more engaging than Bradford (who already won it).

6. The last true "best player in CFB" to win the Hypeman was Charles Woodson. Who then proceeded to actually win the national title game that followed, by actually playing like the "MVP."

7. The car is still parked at 530 South State Street where Charles Woodson and Desmond Howard once had sex with each other.

That stuff's cool but couldn't you have left #7 out? That must be a Michigan thing.

[thevictors09]

Come on, be objective.

The Hypeman has become one of the worst, most contrived awards in sports. It is so rarely ever given to truly the BEST player ---

Jason White
Eric "Don't say I'm Gay" Crouch
Chris Weinke
Rashaan Salaam


I fully would have voted for Troy Smith and Reggie Bush for sure ... but most every year the award is a horrible combination of media hype, driven by an ESPN pre-determined list of candidates who cannot change.

This year its Colt McCoy's to lose ... and the argument about the SEC being so "tough" compared to the Big12 is a joke. For Tebow to win he will have to surpass his own accomplishments.

For McCoy to win it, he only has to replicate what he's done the past two yrs in terms of stats and win the Red River shootout.

[thepryoreffect]

I never disagreed with you. I just thought the statement was strange.

And Reggie Bush was hands down the best player in the country that year IMO. Vince Young played a hell of a NC game though.

[Andrew - Resident Gator]

Jul 29, 2009 18:45:40 GMT -5 victor2111 said:

Tebow has a better chance then anybody to win it. I went with Mccoy because I want Archie to be the only one + McCoy is still a very good QB.

Tebow is the best player in college football, media loves him, and Florida schedule is not the strongest this year(no offense Andy but OOC & not playing Bama or Ole Miss) so very good chance to go undefeated.

Right now I would say
Tebow 50%
McCoy 40%
Bradford 7%
Field 3%

Oh I know we have a cupcake schedule... But what can you do when the Girls across state can't develop a decent fuh fuh football team?

[Andrew - Resident Gator]

Jul 29, 2009 20:43:12 GMT -5 @thevictors09 said:

Come on, be objective.

The Hypeman has become one of the worst, most contrived awards in sports. It is so rarely ever given to truly the BEST player ---

Jason White
Eric "Don't say I'm Gay" Crouch
Chris Weinke
Rashaan Salaam


I fully would have voted for Troy Smith and Reggie Bush for sure ... but most every year the award is a horrible combination of media hype, driven by an ESPN pre-determined list of candidates who cannot change.

This year its Colt McCoy's to lose ... and the argument about the SEC being so "tough" compared to the Big12 is a joke. For Tebow to win he will have to surpass his own accomplishments.

For McCoy to win it, he only has to replicate what he's done the past two yrs in terms of stats and win the Red River shootout.

Wait... are you saying the B12 and SEC defenses are the same???

You have got to be kidding me...

[Queenjimmyjamtosu]

Jul 29, 2009 18:18:44 GMT -5 Andrew - Resident Gator said:

No, I just expect the typical "Andrew is a homer" talk that normal happens when I mention anything remotely close to Florida football.

He was the best football player last year, and will continue to be this year. Best all around athlete on any team. Sure it's politics, but he will get a lot of props from Heisman winners for staying in school 4 years, and sticking out his senior season. Florida needs to go undefeated... Maybe. I think they just have to keep pace with Texas. If Texas stumbles, Florida can afford one. He will put up his 45+ touchdowns, (im hoping to see 35P/10R at least) and a disgustingly low INT %, and win the Heisman next year.

McCoy is good, but the B12 was exposed for what it is last year. It's easy for anyone to put up crazy stats against teams that don't play defense. I said that last year, over, and over, and over, and over. When the discussion was talked about Heisman Bradford vs McCoy vs Tebow, the same logic was applied, I called exposure, and was right. I think it was on the CFB board that Golden had up.

Regardless... it's hard to compare the two players without crazy statistical analysis... So the question becomes, who would you rather have on your team? If i'm red team, and your blue, it's your first pick between the two... Who would you rather have?

You know my answer.

Andrew is a HOMER

I wouldn't want to let you down!

[Andrew - Resident Gator]

Of course not.

Nice to see you.

[Queenjimmyjamtosu]

you too!

[thevictors09]

Jul 29, 2009 21:35:38 GMT -5 Andrew - Resident Gator said:

Jul 29, 2009 20:43:12 GMT -5 @thevictors09 said:

Come on, be objective.

The Hypeman has become one of the worst, most contrived awards in sports. It is so rarely ever given to truly the BEST player ---

Jason White
Eric "Don't say I'm Gay" Crouch
Chris Weinke
Rashaan Salaam


I fully would have voted for Troy Smith and Reggie Bush for sure ... but most every year the award is a horrible combination of media hype, driven by an ESPN pre-determined list of candidates who cannot change.

This year its Colt McCoy's to lose ... and the argument about the SEC being so "tough" compared to the Big12 is a joke. For Tebow to win he will have to surpass his own accomplishments.

For McCoy to win it, he only has to replicate what he's done the past two yrs in terms of stats and win the Red River shootout.

Wait... are you saying the B12 and SEC defenses are the same???

You have got to be kidding me...

The defenses are not the same ... but the "quality of defense faced" is probably about 87th on the list of factors to consider in the Hypeman race.

I'm talking about Colt McCoy playing in the Big12, not Colt Brennan playing in the WAC.

[victor2111]

Jul 28, 2009 19:07:42 GMT -5 @cincycanesfan said:

Jahvid Best, Cal

Cincy looking good.

Best is off to a great start and Cali is moving up in the rankings to #5 I believe. If Best can have great games the next 2 weeks and California wins(@oregon and home vs USC) then Best heisman hopes will jump up big time!

[thevictors09]

McCoy is going to win it.

they already started with the Roger Staubach ties and the whole "good ole boy" from Texas stuff, it is his to lose.

[victor2111]

Sept 21, 2009 14:02:29 GMT -5 @thevictors09 said:

McCoy is going to win it.

they already started with the Roger Staubach ties and the whole "good ole boy" from Texas stuff, it is his to lose.

Hopefully so. I'm rooting for him.