Johnny Manziel

[nwohiofn]

Dec 16, 2014 16:22:20 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

Dec 16, 2014 16:05:30 GMT -5 ohstatefan said:

Johnny Rotten's next game is @ Carolina.
I wonder how that will go.

Unless he does something to make his O line and his skill players like him a little more - or hate him a little less - about the same!

As I said before. If they are intentionally laying down for any reason it is time to clean house. I would hope they would have more pride and sense of professionalism than that.

[buckeyebikerbabe]

Dec 16, 2014 16:43:00 GMT -5 nwohiofn said:

Dec 16, 2014 16:22:20 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

Unless he does something to make his O line and his skill players like him a little more - or hate him a little less - about the same!

As I said before. If they are intentionally laying down for any reason it is time to clean house. I would hope they would have more pride and sense of professionalism than that.

I think they hate him more than they care about this season. Most of them will be gone next year anyway.

[nwohiofn]

Dec 16, 2014 16:50:52 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

Dec 16, 2014 16:43:00 GMT -5 nwohiofn said:

As I said before. If they are intentionally laying down for any reason it is time to clean house. I would hope they would have more pride and sense of professionalism than that.

I think they hate him more than they care about this season. Most of them will be gone next year anyway.

I have no idea whether they hate him or not. Nor do I care. They are pros. Their job is to play. Laying down on the job is certainly no way to get a shot with another club next year. And actually, most of them are probably expected back next year.

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Dec 16, 2014 17:11:55 GMT -5 nwohiofn said:

Dec 16, 2014 16:50:52 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

I think they hate him more than they care about this season. Most of them will be gone next year anyway.

I have no idea whether they hate him or not. Nor do I care. They are pros. Their job is to play. Laying down on the job is certainly no way to get a shot with another club next year. And actually, most of them are probably expected back next year.

I think BBB is using her personal feelings to guide what she thinks others think. From my understanding, he's certainly not disliked in the locker room.

[ohstatefan]

Dec 16, 2014 17:13:42 GMT -5 @theurbaneffect said:

Dec 16, 2014 17:11:55 GMT -5 nwohiofn said:

I have no idea whether they hate him or not. Nor do I care. They are pros. Their job is to play. Laying down on the job is certainly no way to get a shot with another club next year. And actually, most of them are probably expected back next year.

I think BBB is using her personal feelings to guide what she thinks others think. From my understanding, he's certainly not disliked in the locker room.

My understanding is that after last week's performance, the team likes him in the locker room so much, they wish he would just stay there.

[cwerph]

I don't know if they laid down or not, but this was from the week before when Hoyer was named the starter:

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan acknowledged that the coaches put a lot of stock in Joe Thomas saying that turning the team over to Johnny Manziel would send a "wait until next year'' message.

"When Joe talks, it always carries weight with me,'' said Shanahan. "This is my first year meeting Joe. I've obviously always known him with his pedigree and how good his career has been, but just being around him through an NFL season, seeing how much the game does mean to Joe, how hard he plays, whether it's the run game or the pass game, he does everything we ask of him. It means a lot to him.

"Anytime a guy who's as good of a player as he is, who puts in as much work as he does, when he talks, every coach or player is going to listen."

Thomas, a seven-time Pro Bowl, cautioned the staff that at least some of the players in the locker room would feel like the Browns were giving up on this season if they benched Brian Hoyer, who's guided them to a 7-5 mark this year -- including four fourth-quarter come-from-behind victories -- for Sunday's game against the 8-4 Colts.

"Certainly, when you start throwing guys out there and seeing what they can do, the message is, 'We're already playing for next year. We don't think necessarily that we can get to the playoffs this year anymore,''' Thomas said.

Coach Mike Pettine said he didn't search out input from players, but in talking to several, the message was clear.

"It was a similar theme, and it was more positives about Brian than anything else,'' he said. "I just think from a continuity standpoint and given where we are, it kind of drove it to the deciding factor."

www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/12/joe_thomas_opinion_that_starti.html

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That's nothing negative towards Manziel though. I get the players feeling that way, but Hoyer was a career backup for a reason.

[buckeyebikerbabe]

They think he's a slacker and doesn't put any effort into practice. From the way he played, they might be right.

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Dec 16, 2014 18:35:16 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

They think he's a slacker and doesn't put any effort into practice. From the way he played, they might be right.

You're literally making that up out of thin air. I have friends with ties to the NFL and while he has his detractors around the league(mostly because guys hate hype), he's been a good locker room guy.

We get that you don't like him though. You're not the only one.

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Johnny cocain Sucks and will never start in a playoff game.

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The Browns laying down and intentionally losing to spite Manziel is nothing more than a tin foil hat conspiracy theory. Not a shred of evidence to support that.

[keln]

I don't like Manziel and I thought it was a bad pick from the start. But I don't buy that professional football players would lay down a game, especially one they had to win, just to spite him.

[cwerph]

Dec 16, 2014 18:51:46 GMT -5 @theurbaneffect said:

Dec 16, 2014 18:35:16 GMT -5 buckeyebikerbabe said:

They think he's a slacker and doesn't put any effort into practice. From the way he played, they might be right.

You're literally making that up out of thin air. I have friends with ties to the NFL and while he has his detractors around the league(mostly because guys hate hype), he's been a good locker room guy.

We get that you don't like him though. You're not the only one.

If that is how he looks when he puts in maximum effort, shoot me now, please.

[ohstatefan]

It was just one game Browns fans. No need to write the guy off just yet.

[victor2111]

Terrible debut. He played poorly and he knows it. I'm still going to give him time and not knock a guy for one bad debut. If we did that, a lot of people wouldn't have careers.


As for the shot at my other guys, Kaepernick has played poorly this year also. I will not disagree with that. He hasn't gotten better. A lot of it is him, a lot of it is bad OL, and some of it is team issues with the front office. Very disappointed in the year he has had, he has taken a huge step back.